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Waterbuffalo
12-11-2007, 07:23 AM
Watching KPTV this morning, I heard Pete Ferryman say that the state of washington was going to scrap the 4 ferries that run Keystone route. But not finding any evidence of this on my online news source.

But I did find this piece from the Washington state ferries dated December 8, 2007. Look here for this information I found..

http://www.wsdot.wa.gov/ferries/commuter_updates/index.cfm?fuseaction=press_releases_content&press_release_id=548

"Ongoing Inspections of Aging Steel Electric Ferries Reveal Additional Repair Needs Date: December 8, 2007

Contact: Traci Brewer-Rogstad, WSF Deputy Executive Director, 206.571.5164

Seattle) As inspections on its Steel Electric class ferries have progressed, Washington State Ferries (WSF) reports updated information on the status of the two ferries that are in drydock at Todd Pacific Shipyards in Seattle for inspection and maintenance work.

The Quinault and Illahee have been in drydock since November 28. Since then, crews and shipyard staff have worked around the clock to prepare and inspect external and internal hull spaces of both vessels to find any steel problems. Removing paint on the vessels’ 80 year-old riveted steel hulls allows WSF to determine the feasibility and extent of needed repairs.

On Tuesday, November 20, Washington State Secretary of Transportation Paula Hammond announced that WSF would pull all four of the Steel Electric class vessels out of service due to concerns about their safety. Work on the Quinault revealed significant hull pitting along the keel that WSF believes likely extends to all four Steel Electric class vessels. This decision led to vehicle service being suspended on the Port Townsend-Keystone ferry route.

Ongoing work is revealing more pitting and corrosion. “As work has progressed on the Quinault, inspections have revealed additional steel that needs to be replaced and the extent of needed repairs continues to grow,” said Paul Brodeur, WSF Director of Vessel Maintenance and Preservation. “These are old vessels and until all the paint is removed on the hull we will not know the full extent of the problem.” At this time, 70 percent of the paint on the hull has been removed and WSF has discovered that at least 45 percent of the Quinault’s hull will need to be replaced before the vessel can return to service. This percentage may increase if WSF finds more pitting as it completes inspection of the Quinault and Illahee over the next few weeks.

In the same dry-dock at Todd Shipyard, workers are hydro blasting the Illahee’s hull to remove the paint and inspect the steel underneath. Early inspections of the outside of the vessel show that there are areas with pitting that require repair, similar to what has been found on the Quinault.

“These new developments add complexity to our decision about how much to invest in these 80 year-old boats,” said Paula Hammond. “We are moving forward quickly with plans to replace the Steel Electric class vessels, and I understand how difficult it is for residents of Port Townsend and Whidbey Island to be without vehicle ferry service.

“We will continue to do everything we can to keep our communities informed and to work closely with them and policy-makers as decisions are made and new information becomes available.”

WSF plans to use emerging information about the condition of the Quinault and Illahee to inform decisions about next steps. “We continue to assess the full range of hull pitting and this will help determine the extent and the cost of needed repairs. As we move forward, our first priority is the safety and service needs of our customers,” Hammond said.

Background:

WSF owns four Steel Electric class vessels – Quinault, Klickitat, Illahee and Nisqually. These vessels, built in 1927, predominantly serve the Port Townsend-Keystone and San Juan Islands inter-island routes. They are the only ferries in the system capable of operating in Keystone’s narrow and shallow harbor.

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No Ordinary Journey

Created on June 1, 1951, Washington State Ferries (WSF) is the largest ferry system in the United States and the largest ferry system in the world based on vehicles carried. More than 24 million people a year ride the ferries and over 30,000 vehicles a day use this critical link in the state highway system. WSF has a fleet of 26 vessels and operates 20 terminals throughout Puget Sound."

Waterbuffalo
12-11-2007, 07:24 AM
Going to go looking for more information..

Waterbuffalo
12-11-2007, 07:26 AM
Found a one at the local rag and tag shop. Full story here: http://www.columbian.com/news/state/APStories/AP12112007news245993.cfm

"SEATTLE (AP) -- Transportation leaders in the Legislature recommended Monday that four aging state ferries be scrapped rather than repaired - a move that could delay the return of car-ferry service between Port Townsend and Whidbey Island for a year or more."

Chief
12-11-2007, 07:35 AM
"...80 year-old riveted steel hulls..."

That explains it all. I know a little about marine architecture, and I can tell you for certain that any repairs to those hulls would be incredibly expensive, if it were possible at all. I read somewhere that the corrosion was approaching 65% of the hull's thickness in places, and that means the only way to repair that, is to replace that riveted plate.

But how do you disassemble it withour damaging the surounding metal, which is also compromised and corroded?? Many times you cannot weld hull metal that old either; the metal disintigrates and boils away from all of the impurities, or the heat generates a whole new set of cracks surrounding the part you just heated...

This is a major problem, with no cheap solutions. This is also the exact transportation emergency that Washington is faced with that simply trumps light rail into Downtown Vancouver on the State's list of priorities...

Good job WB...

;D

Waterbuffalo
12-11-2007, 08:06 AM
Don't thank me.. Thank KPTV... :-) I was just listening through the drone...

Chief
12-11-2007, 08:18 AM
No doubt, we have a problem on our hands with these ferries WB; this is not going to be cheap, and the State has put this off for far too long.

Can you see how this is the equivalent of documenting every crack on the I-35 bridge in Minneapolis, until it finally failed?? The State has been band-aiding these boats for years, and wringing their hands about what to do, and we are probably lucky that one of them didn't get sunk out in the Straits....

Waterbuffalo
12-11-2007, 08:29 AM
Honestly Chief maybe that is what is going to take?? Have one of these look like a Phillipine Ocean liner accident? That will finally teach these idiots to pay attention..

I don't think 500 million for some boats are going to kill Washington state teachers, unions, or other state employees for a 10 cent pay cut or what ever is necessary to pay for essential transportation projects.. Sorry guys but there are some essential projects that need to be done that can't be band-aided any more. And I am not talking about adding an HOV lane on Highway 167 in Seattle. That can wait.

How about the safety corridor along Marysville area that is one of the worst speed traps and accident prone areas of Washington state? Its WORSE than Interstate 5 influence area. Why are we addressing that area that for so long has needed help?

WSF needs help and its going to mean the state is going to have to bail her out like federal government has to bail out Amtrak every year.