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Chief
10-01-2007, 06:21 PM
http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/columnists/chi-mary_re_09-30sep30,0,40543.column

Mary Umberger | Real estate
September 30, 2007

Most anybody in the mortgage business will tell you that August was a month that will live in infamy: The market was in turmoil, as doubts about the stability of subprime loans spread to other sectors of the mortgage world.

How bad was it? A survey of mortgage brokers suggests that one in three consumers who recently signed purchase contracts canceled in August -- up from just 4 percent three years ago, according to the research firm that conducted the survey for Inside Mortgage Finance, a trade journal.

The cancellation rate undoubtedly was fed by two scenarios playing out: Many buyers couldn't get mortgage approval because lending suddenly tightened; or, financially strained lenders yanked funding from their borrowers at the last minute.

But another factor was at work: Sellers -- not buyers -- were in trouble as their closing dates neared.

"Our office had four sales in one week that failed to close because the seller didn't have the cash," said the real estate agent, who declined to be identified because she feared office repercussions.

The sellers couldn't come up with the money?

It seems that for those homeowners on the margins -- those with some but not much equity -- the costs of a real estate transaction are turning into a kick in the pants.

The problem seems to start, she said, with those formerly easy-to-snatch mortgages that cover 95 or 100 percent -- or more -- of the purchase price.

The idea -- seems quaint now, doesn't it? -- was that home values would continue to spiral blissfully skyward, equity would build and that loan-to-value ratio would improve so the buyer would be richly rewarded when he sold.

Closing day approaches, and our leveraged homeowner apparently has forgotten how many folks have their hands out at the table -- and without appreciable appreciation he can't satisfy them all.

As an example, my real estate agent acquaintance grabs a settlement sheet from a recent transaction on a home that cost just under $600,000.

Reeling off a few of the line items, she notes that the seller had to cover $1,800 in title insurance, a $75 water-certification fee, nearly $900 in tax stamps to Chicago and Illinois; a $550 attorney's fee; a $40 "overnight processing" fee. Those and numerous other charges drove the closing costs to about $3,400.

And that didn't include the pro-rated property taxes for which the seller was liable and which weren't covered by the escrow account. In this case, the seller had to set aside $6,000 from the sale of the house to cover the taxes.

Then, ahem, there's the commission.

"If you're listing a house for $410,000 and the mortgage is $390,000, you've got a problem," she said, in a bit of an understatement.

Based on the 5 percent rate she says prevails among city real estate agents, a seller in her $410,000 example would pay a $20,500 commission.

"People get a call from their attorney the week before closing, and they're expecting to hear, 'This is what you're going to get at the closing;' instead, it's 'Here's how much you have to bring,'" she said.

**SCHNIPP**

Ain't that the pits?? Think it can't happen here?? And how do you "bail out" someone who is that upside down in equity??

Waterbuffalo
10-01-2007, 08:47 PM
The point is "we shouldn't.."

Chief
10-02-2007, 04:10 PM
But Congress is hell-bent on writing legislation to do exactly that.

Of course our local Congress critter is up to his eyeballs in snapping pirahna from his Leftwing nutroots base, and I doubt he'll be talking about the realities of this one any time soon. All the Left wants right now is impeachment of both the President and Vice, so Nancy Pelosi can just move right in, so I fear that Congress will do just about anything to win the approval of any group they can find. This issue is ripe for some hard-core politicin'...

Waterbuffalo
10-02-2007, 06:33 PM
When you weep and sow your own base like they have, the deserve all their own criticisms. They don't have one iota of sympathy from me, because when they won control over Congress, they made a huge bluster about they were going to do this and that.. But what real legislation have they gotten passed the president that was not a major government spending bill or Iraq funding option?

This stalemate won't end under Nov. 2008 presidential elections..

Chief
10-02-2007, 06:57 PM
I think you nailed that one...'08 is gonna be brutal; if you think there were hard feelings after 2000, you ain't seen nothin' yet...

Waterbuffalo
10-02-2007, 11:37 PM
Continuing back to the thread and what its about.

These people then have to find a way to sell their homes.. There are a million imaginative ways to sell a home and get around any financial brick wall.. With a little imagination and creativity, that above thing could be fixed. But the one thing I have not seen from Congress is that certain type of creativity to force home owners and financial institutions who made those loans telling them, if you were so creative in selling this crap to them, then your going to have to dig each other out.

Honestly the only people are complaining are the ones who are clever enough to get themselves out of their own jams..

Chief
10-03-2007, 06:41 AM
The process is called foreclosure. That is the legal process that has been set up in this country to resolve these kinds of problems. Foreclose the property, take the hit, sell it for what the market will support, and move on. If you get someone in there with a stable mortgage that is affordable and sustainable, it will be the new base to build a recovered housing market upon, and that is a net sum gain for everyone.

The sooner we get about it, the sooner the market will recover.

tefen
10-03-2007, 02:03 PM
This one is exactly what the Chief is saying...

http://money.cnn.com/2007/10/03/real_estate/bailout_backlash/index.htm?postversion=2007100313


Just thought it was relevant.


From the article:
Many subprime borrowers got their homes at payment levels that were as cheap or cheaper than renting, Mason said. And if they had equity, they had the option of cashing it out to pay for other things that they otherwise couldn't afford to do.

And while foreclosure is not easy for any homeowner and can damage their credit long-term, their credit was bad to begin with, he said.

Mason thinks a one-size-fits-all bailout would not cure the issue that led to the subprime crisis: lack of information about the riskiness of the mortgages sold to investors; lenders' willingness to extend credit to unworthy borrowers; and borrowers' willingness to take on too much mortgage debt.

"If I had known [three or four years ago] that I was going to be bailed out, I would have made that decision too," Mason said.

Plus, Mason said, borrowers who get in too deep, once bailed out, may load up on debts again.

Chief
10-03-2007, 03:39 PM
Just remember where you heard it first.....even CNN is reading Clarkblog!!

;D

Waterbuffalo
10-03-2007, 07:03 PM
Just being taught sound and basic money handling skills might help.. Though i do think Tefen's article is probably correct near the end. This whole mess allowed people to cash in over and over again with different loans and decrease their equity in a property to have the "I need now factor" and lead people to create a lifestyle where going into bad debt was ok.

Chief
10-03-2007, 07:43 PM
Add to the mix that the Justice Department successfully overhauled the bankruptcy laws a couple of years ago, so it's not as easy to bogue on your bills, keep the house and all the toys, and start out all over again.

Here's a thought problem: ever wonder what the recidivism rate is among people who have previously declared bankruptcy?? It was sky high in the nineties, with many people going bankrupt several times. That is no longer possible, many people are now facing the debt they ran up more then once, and frankly deserve to be tossed out of thier houses and back into a rental for a while.

Waterbuffalo
10-04-2007, 03:57 AM
It all depends in the examples our kids and people in our country learned from about money matters. This whole thing comes down to a lack of responsibility and taking appropriate financial risks for the right reasons.