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Chief
09-30-2007, 03:48 PM
Via the paid archives of the columbian...I just want some of you to know just how long this particular dead horse has been beaten, and by whom...

GROUP WANTS CITY DIVIDED INTO ELECTION DISTRICTS

SHERRI NEE, Columbian staff writer

May 21, 1998; Page B5

A group of anti-tax activists hopes to revive a proposal to carve Vancouver into districts for City Council elections. <a href="http://frogstar.soylentgeek.com/wav/mad-hell.wav">Larry Patella</a>, chairman of a group called Citizens Advocating Representative Districts, believes dumping the at-large positions in favor of district-specific posts will make council members more responsive and less likely to spend taxpayers' money.

"The council doesn't answer to anybody. They approve almost everything that comes down the pike. ... They're not connected to the voters," said Patella, a retired naval officer who lives in Minnehaha.

Members of CARD say taxpayers were angered earlier this year when the council considered increasing the city budget beyond the 1.9 percent cap established by Referendum 47. The group says taxpayers also are angry every time they hear city leaders talk of swimming pools or light rail -- two other expenses voters rejected.

Mayor Royce Pollard held his tongue when Patella pitched the districting idea at a council meeting earlier this month. But when asked about the plan this week, Pollard argued against it and defended the programs that the council supports.

"He wants districts so he can manipulate and control the council on one specific issue," the mayor said. "Council members elected at large feel responsibility for the whole community ... and they respond to everybody."

"There are probably a lot of good reasons for creating districts," he said. "Manipulating and influencing the council on one issue isn't one of them."

In 1996, the City Council considered districts as a way of making sure Cascade Park would have a strong voice in City Hall once it was annexed. However, the proposal for districts died in a 4-3 vote, and members opted instead to add two temporary, nonvoting positions on the council specifically for the newly annexed area.

City Council districts would do away with the current citywide elections. Instead, six of the seven council members would be elected from specific districts. The mayor would still be elected at large, according to CARD's plan.

Such a change requires an amendment to the city charter, which must be approved by voters. Patella said his group of about 20 activists plans to bypass the city's Charter Review Board and will gather signatures to put an initiative on the ballot via petition. The group is aiming for the November 1999 election.

CARD began meeting last month. Its next meeting is 7 p.m. June 11 in the Community Meeting Room at Clark Public Utilities, 1200 Fort Vancouver Way.

Just so you know where this whole idea of Districts came from, who is behind it, and what it is that they really want.

Waterbuffalo
09-30-2007, 08:17 PM
At least we know who is an "activist" citizen in our community.. <evil grin..>

The City will just shut him down like they did the last time.

Wish our 'Paul Revere" the best of luck.. Because he's going to need it against a city attorney possible shutting him down.

Chief: I am going to review all of the citizen's communications from the city council for the last month. I "DO NOT" remember Larry speaking at any of the council session except the one at the Portland bistro or restaraunt they had for the streetcar about two weeks ago that I did not attend.

Does any one know what day Larry said this stuff at the city council meeting?

Waterbuffalo
09-30-2007, 08:26 PM
While starting to read the post I did not read the Dates of this article and subject material.. This article is about 10 years old, so this would not be in any video archives..

It should also be a dead issue by now?

Just thinking over the article, if this person has such "great" ideas about how to reform government, why is he NOT running for one of the city council positions???

Chief
10-02-2007, 04:19 PM
Isn't that the $60,000 question??

It sure is easy to sit and criticize everything in sight, and sling mud against people who have been duly elected to public office, and quite another to actually serve in elected office and make the tough decisions.

Waterbuffalo
10-02-2007, 06:38 PM
Its the same comment I have been railing against karma recently. Now I am not saying to her any more.

If Patella is complaining why does he not run against some one in 2008? 2007 elections are basically locked in now, unless Patella wanted to run as a write-in candidate.

Chief
10-02-2007, 06:53 PM
That's my whole point with this guy WB. He has never to my knowledge, ever had a constructive criticism to make on any issue that i am aware of since the City annexed Cascade Park. I have looked, and there is nothing that anyone on City Council has ever done that meets with his approval. You can see that if it were up to him, we would bulldoze the Hilton, and burn the Firstenberg Center to the ground.

He has no alternatives to offer, nor will he ever get it through that thick skull of his that we elect City Council members to consider the issues in the Community, and vote to approve them in our names. That does not mean that City council will ever vote all the time in a way that we will all agree on. Last I heard, that's just the way we do things in this country. You win some and you lose some, and life goes on.

Patella has it in his head that he deserves to vote on any and every issue that he alone decides is important, regardless of the realities of the political institutions that serve the common good. With Patella there is no such thing as compromise. It's his way, or the highway, and that is just the way things are...

Waterbuffalo
10-02-2007, 11:31 PM
In other words, its important to know that he exists but better just to ignore 100 percent of his comments..

Chief
10-03-2007, 06:38 AM
I suppose, but he has a substantial following, sends this crap out all over town, and if I don't say something here, it will go completely unrebutted, and people start thinking he may have some point that's worth listening to.

Fact is, Larry Pelosi is a broken record that never stops playing the same old tune. No matter how many times he is proven to be wrong, he never seems to get the message...

Chief
10-03-2007, 07:12 PM
One of my friends from the Port pointed out to me that with all of this talk about voting on this and voting on that, people need to realize that a public vote costs money to conduct. It is my understanding that the Port of Vancouver will pay about $100,000 to cover the expense of the IDDL special election.

This goes directly to the point of why we have a representative form of government, and elect people to vote on certain issues on our behalf, in part to save the expense of having an organized public vote every time City Council was faced with a financial decision.

"A vote by the People" is not always required, or even desired, despite what some people think and constantly demand.

Waterbuffalo
10-03-2007, 07:18 PM
Let the City go after Patella if he has a bright idea to create all of these vote-by-mail for every item. I agree with you Chief, why does the City Taxpayer to have to pay for all of Patella's ideas?

Chief
10-13-2007, 08:22 AM
B ump to the top.

Excellent question WB. How much money should anyone spend on any of his half-baked ideas? See my comments on this in today's "Daily Patella"...