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Chief
07-26-2007, 05:01 AM
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Date: July 25th, 2007


Need another reason to vote no on the Port's 132% Property tax increase. Read what others have to say.

Be interesting to see if the columbian responds to Mr. Carroll's request and if they will indeed publicly as the Port of Vancouver to respond before the ballots are sent out.

L. M. Patella
CDR USN (ret)


-----Original Message-----
From: Willard Carroll
Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2007 12:55 PM
To: Jonathan Nelson; letters@columbian.com
Cc: Larry Patella; Wally Horne; Ray Urh; Lou Brancaccio; Jerry Oliver; Hal Parry; Georgena Hanning; Dunn, Rep. Jim; Dale & Char Detour; Charles Stemper; Bob Sharp
Subject: Port Announcement


Jonathan,

Your recent article in The columbian on the port agreement with Wallenius Wilhelmsen needs a response.

The Vancouver Port Commission has been promoting the IDD levy and purchase of the 248 acres of Alcoa/Evergreen property as providing 1900 family wage jobs.

The port article in today's paper describes the agreement with Wallenius Wilhelmsen as being 344 acres and employing 1193 employees. That comes out to 3.46 employees per acre. The Gateway property consists of 544 acres which only leaves 200 acres left in the Gateway project less whatever acreage the ethanol plant will need with only 100 employees. The projections by the port for the Alcoa/Evergreen property is 7.6 employees per acre.

Don't you think it strange that the port can claim 1900 family wage jobs on 248 acres for the Alcoa/Evergreen property and then enter into an agreement that only puts 1192 jobs on 344 acres with most at less than family wage? The agreement with Wallenius Wilhelmsen would tie up almost one half of the entire Gateway/Alcoa/Evergreen acreage.

The combined acreage of Gateway and the Alcoa/Evergreen property being 792 acres with part of the Alcoa/Evergreen property being unusable would at the same employee ratio as in the Wallenius Wilhelmsen agreement would only provide 2740 jobs for the entire project.

These projections fall far short of the claims made by the port.You and The columbian have an obligation to your readers to ask for an explanation from the port to explain how they are going to fulfill these pie in the sky promises and do it before the ballots are issued.

Willard Carroll
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Vancouver, WA 98683
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Chief
07-26-2007, 05:21 AM
----- Original Message -----
From: Bob Koski
To: carroll1970@comcast.net
Cc: Larry Patella
Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2007 5:24 AM
Subject: Port Announcement


Dear Mr. Carroll;

Reporter Jonathan Nelson is an employee of the columbian, a private corporation that is under absolutely no obligation whatsoever, to ask your questions of the Port of Vancouver for you, or provide you with your answers. I fear that you will not receive the answers you seek in the timeframe you specified, by injecting the columbian as the designated middleman.

If you truly want an accurate answer to your questions Sir, I strongly recommend that you drive down to the Port of Vancouver's Administrative Offices at your earliest convenience, and ask to speak with Executive Director Larry Paulson, and ask him your questions directly. Please print out a copy of your letter and take it with you to show Mr. Paulson, to be sure that he understands your math. I believe you will be quite pleasantly surprized at Director Paulson's willingness to make sure your questions are properly addressed.

But, as a special favor for you, and as an act of good faith on my part, I have already forwarded your e-mail to the Port of Vancouver, and am asking them for comment on your letter myself. I will personally forward any answer I get back to you as soon as I get it, and I will follow up with you at that time to see if the information they provide will answer your questions or not.

Thank you for participating in our election process.

Bob Koski
www.clarkblog.org

Chief
07-26-2007, 11:26 AM
I just received a note from Mr. Caroll, asking me to edit out his personal information.

It seems he was unaware that his letter to the editor had been intercepted by <a href="http://frogstar.soylentgeek.com/wav/mad-hell.wav">Larry Patella</a>, and posted on the 'net without his knowledge or permission. I let him know where I found it posted, and provided him with a link to see exactly what has been posted online since just after Midnight last night by <a href="http://frogstar.soylentgeek.com/wav/mad-hell.wav">Larry Patella</a>, and remains there un-edited as I write this.

I cannot un-ring the bell. I can edit out the personal data as requested, but I will not remove his letter entirely. There is no memory hole here, and I stand by my remarks on this earlier today.

There are no other identifiable e-mail addresses left, except Jonathan Nelson, and that is a public address that there is no reason to remove.

Waterbuffalo
10-14-2008, 02:14 PM
Just to remind ourselves of what we're dealing with..