What will Pat Campbell do?? Apologize to Portland's Metro!

[Chief]

"I swear that I am not making this up."

Dave Barry

From the local far-left political blog, "Politics is a Blood Sport"

http://aneurinsblog.blogspot.com/

Thursday, June 5, 2008
Metro meets, will vote on CRC preferred alternative
Had a chance to play hooky for a bit from work and attend Metro's public meeting gathering testimony in regard to the CRC preferred alternative. There was the usual parade of industry trade group lobbyist types, labor folks and environmental groups, and some just cranky people.

Robert Parker, for instance, lambasted the "freeloading bicyclists" who aren't paying their fair share of the project, so they need to pay tolls as well. You could hear audible guffaws from the audience in bike-friendly Portland over that proposal. Those freeloading bicyclists are reducing their carbon footprint to zero, so if anything, tax proposals that subsidize their selflessness need to be encouraged, ala Congressman Earl Blumenauer's proposal.

Vancouver was represented ably by both Ed Barnes, longtime Clark County labor council represenative, and Vancouver City Commissioner Pat Campbell. Mr. Campbell apologized directly to the Metro 3 on behalf of the Vancouver City Council for remarks made by Mayor Pollard. Metro's Chair, Peter Bragdon, joked that as long as Mayor Pollard kept his coffee cups on the Vancouver side of the river, things would turn out fine. Each of the Metro 3 seemed to accept the apology and appeared to be in a conciliatory mood about "communication misunderstandings" between both sides of the river.

**SCHNIPP**

Boy! There's Leadership for ya!

I think I'll *ping* the Mayor to see what he thinks Pat needed to apologize for on the Mayor's behalf...

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rcrn

[Chief]

Some questions for Councilman Campbell:

What were you apologizing to Portland's Metro about today Councilman Campbell??

Did you speak for City Council on that?

Did you speak for the Mayor??

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cewl

[Chief]

It is my understanding that the Mayor neither wants or needs Pat Campbell to do any speaking for him, and Pat will likely hear about this on Monday night...

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[Waterbuffalo]

*AHEM* with a loud and understanding clearing of his throat..

Pat, I do not feel you represent the Mayor effectively if *THIS* is what you said. Some one please hit me behind the skull with a verbal thwap..

Why is Pat even speaking? Does he even UNDERSTAND what the Columbia River Crossing is, how much its worth and why its so important? What the history and the multiple times this has come to a failed conclusion?

Ok, I HAVE to ask because its on my mind.. Why is Pat even there when he's a newbie to the political process or the newest City of Vancouver member?

<grinds his teeth.....>

[Chief]

WB, considering who primarily backed Pat as a candidate (CAVE led by Larry Patella), please explain to me how Pat's kow-towing to Metro is any better than Dan Tonkovich's kow-towing to Mayor Pollard's agenda as Tonks was accused of doing??

How is this an improvement over what we had during the election??

Don't blame me, For position 6 I voted for:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v645/SeniorChieftain/fishassholes-3.jpg

That's right, a can of fish assholes. At least I knew what I was getting...

Stout Hearts...

[Chief]

Councilman Larry Smith has weighed in on this today as well...

On 6/5/2008 9:16:03 PM, Larry Smith wrote:

> Bob: Pat does not represent me and can only speak for himself. He did not
> have my permission to speak for me. He does not understand the give and
> take of politics. When I see him I will let him know this.

Larry

[DArch1]

WB, considering who primarily backed Pat as a candidate (CAVE led by Larry Patella), please explain to me how Pat's kow-towing to Metro is any better than Dan Tonkovich's kow-towing to Mayor Pollard's agenda as Tonks was accused of doing??

How is this an improvement over what we had during the election??

Don't blame me, For position 6 I voted for:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v645/SeniorChieftain/fishassholes-3.jpg

That's right, a can of fish assholes. At least I knew what I was getting...

Stout Hearts...

Good cop, bad cop? maybe? I think they know what they are doing.

[Chief]

And Pat Campbell has weighed in as well...

Bob,

The mayor originally spoke for himself, not the council.

This had become an area of irritation and having been designated as Vancouver's MPAC (Metropolitan Policy Advisory Committee) representative, I made the apology and gave the Council Vancouver's preliminary CRC position.

Pat

Pat Campbell P.O. Box 873206 Vancouver, WA 98687-3206 Cell: 360.904.0815 Home: 360.254.1645 pat777campbell@msn.com


Must be a communications breakdown somewhere, and I suspect it is on Pat's end...

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[Waterbuffalo]

After thinking this over last night and what has been transpiring over at Metro, the conclusion I could come up with until re-reading this thread was Pat was trying to soothe Metro's feathers and grandstanding.

What Pat should have done was said nothing until he learns the politics he's in. He's still relatively new to Clark County politics and the representations of it. On that board, he represents probably not just himself but "ALL" of Clark County on it.

I didn't mind having him on various boards to learn what goes on and to learn what being on the city council and its important functions mean.

To Chief, after reading your first comment, all I can say is I cannot excuse Pat's comments. I was as riled up as you were on the subject because of what I was reading and what is being said by Metro still to this day.

[Chief]

Thanks WB....my gut feeling was that this needs to come out, and it really is a big deal when someone like Campbell takes off and goes flat-hatting across the political landscape with nary a clue about what he is doing. It's clear that he had nobody's permission or even their informed consent before he went off to speak on behalf of City Council.

Stupid and the worst kind of grand-standing.

[Waterbuffalo]

Whether he did it intentionally or unintentionally, hopefully this will teach a lesson to him that its best not to say too much until you know the ropes you hang from.

When some one speaks from the City or County leadership from our county, they're speaking from not just their representative governments, in a regional setting, your speaking for just about everyone in this county from Camas to Woodland to Vancouver or Cascade Park, whether he knows it or not.

Hope he does learn a lesson and a hard one. What he did was not a baby step type of screw up, that MPAC probably has major transportation consequences on both sides of the river?

[Waterbuffalo]

Since I had not heard the acronym of MPAC before I did a little googling and found some information on Jpact? Is this what Pat was a representative on?

Here is a little bit more information from Metro for those on this side of the river who may not know what it is.

From: http://www.metro-region.org/index.cfm/go/by.web/id=305

"This 17-member committee provides a forum of elected officials and representatives of agencies involved in transportation needs in the region. Committee makes recommendations to the Metro Council related to transportation policy.
The Joint Policy Advisory Committee on Transportation usually meets from 7:30 to 9 a.m. on the second Thursday of each month. Additional meetings may be held as needed. Meetings and other related events are posted on Metro's online calendar.

The Joint Policy Advisory Committee on Transportation (JPACT) is a 17-member committee that provides a forum for elected officials and representatives of agencies involved in transportation to evaluate transportation needs in the region and to make recommendations to the Metro Council.

Metro is the federally mandated metropolitan planning organization designated by the governor to develop an overall transportation plan and to allocate federal funds through the Transportation Priorities program. JPACT recommends priorities and develops the transportation plan for the region based on input from the Transportation Policy Alternatives Committee. This plan is forwarded to the Metro Council, which must adopt JPACT's recommendations before they become the transportation policies of the metropolitan region.

The established decision-making process assures a well-balanced regional transportation system and involves local elected officials directly in decisions that help the Metro Coouncil develop regional transportation policies, including allocating transportation funds."

[Chief]

I still don't understand this Pat.

Exactly what did Mayor Pollard say that was so offensive, it required you to go and apologize to Metro in person??

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ddrrii

[Waterbuffalo]

I'll second that recommendation Chief..

Could it have been in response to Robert Liberty's comments in the Oregonian?

ppcrn

[Chief]

As you can see, it ain't just me. I dropped John Laird an e-mail yesterday afternoon, to see if he could give Pat a Jeer about this, and it looks like John had enough time to make that happen...

http://thecolumbian.com/

http://www.columbian.com/opinion/news/2008/06/06072008_In-our-view-Cheers--Jeers.cfm

Cheers: To the Metro Council in Portland for resolving on Thursday that a replacement is needed for the Interstate 5 Bridge, and that a new bridge should include light rail.

It’s baffling to us how that vote could’ve been 5-2 instead of 7-0, but it’s good to see momentum moving in the right direction on this long and complicated process. Thursday’s resolution is nonbinding, and Metro will be one of six governments that will be asked to endorse next month a Columbia River Crossing task force recommendation that is expected at a June 24 meeting. The other five governments are the city of Vancouver, city of Portland, C-Tran, TriMet, and the Southwest Washington Regional Transportation Council.

Jeers: To Vancouver City Councilor Pat Campbell for apologizing at that Metro meeting for comments made by Vancouver Mayor Royce Pollard on May 27. (Background: Pollard is a proponent of bridge tolls, but when asked last week about the idea by some Metro members to toll the Interstate 5 bridge without a replacement plan, he said, “They know what they can do with their tolls. They can stuff them.”)

Campbell said on Friday: “Yeah, I apologized for what the mayor said. He had 10 days to apologize and didn’t do so. We need to show a more accommodating attitude toward other governments.” Pollard said on Friday he would have no comment until after talking to Campbell on Monday.

First, there was nothing wrong with what Pollard said.

Second, the perfectly clear comments of a six-term mayor need no interpretation by a rookie city councilor.

Many Thanks to John Laird for moving quickly to get this story verified in time for the Saturday AM paper...

mrgrn

[Waterbuffalo]

I'll just add a small little caveat, it almost happened from my read of the accounts that the vote almost became 4 to 3 or 3 to 4 if Bragdon did not pull one of the three original dissenters off can of Pit Bull Foam and gave her a talking to. (aka a conversation to find out how she felt.)

Honestly, Pat needs to learn the ropes. And be reminded that before Mr. Mayor was first elected to the king-ship, he was a city of Vancouver council member if I believe I'm correct.

So what Pat said was out of turn and deserves a talking to from the Mayor which might have all ready happened.

[Chief]

Should make for an interesting City Council meeting on Monday...

mrgrn

[Chief]

Believe it or not, there is more from Pat about this...

The phrase "When you find yourself in a hole, stop digging" comes to mind...

::)


Bob,
What Mayor Pollard said wasn't basically so offensive; it was how it was "filtered" and "amplified" through the media that led to the problem. You can try to deal with that in several ways I suppose, but challenging the media more often that not doesn't seem to work well. A sincere apology to defuse the situation seemed appropriate and appeared to help smooth matters. The CRC issue is volatile and difficult for all of us on both sides of the river and within the various councils themselves. There are bound to be feathers ruffled. As is said, "The price of peace is often sacrifice."
Pat

Pat Campbell P.O. Box 873206 Vancouver, WA 98687-3206 Cell: 360.904.0815 Home: 360.254.1645 pat777campbell@msn.com

[Waterbuffalo]

I'll do a second on that Chief..

To Pat or any one who may be reading this and will forward this conversation to Pat. There are times when you will need to speak for the council but this is one area you seem to lack political wisdom and experience.

It would have been better if you just had said nothing and let the issue be worked out by more senior or experienced political factions.

[Chief]

It's going to be an interesting evening at City Council tonite...

mrgrn

[Waterbuffalo]

Shall you pull up the live feed via the internet like I get to now do? :-) Oh how I just love watching it live anywhere I am in the world.

[DArch1]

Shall you pull up the live feed via the internet like I get to now do? :-) Oh how I just love watching it live anywhere I am in the world.

Buff, you are and ANIMAL...I really need to party with you man. You are just livin' it on the edge.

I'll probably watch it later.mrgrn

[Chief]

Like I said, when in a hole, stop shoveling...

via E-Mail...

----- Original Message -----
From: PATRICK W CAMPBELL
To: Bob Koski
Sent: Monday, June 09, 2008 10:39 AM
Subject: Campbell Apologizes


Bob,
I see you didn't publish my response to your questions. In my mind you have joined the moral and ethical community of the Columbian's editorial staff.
Thanks for the clarification,
Pat

Pat Campbell P.O. Box 873206 Vancouver, WA 98687-3206 Cell: 360.904.0815 Home: 360.254.1645 pat777campbell@msn.com


I let him know that in fact I did publish his statement as soon as he sent it out over the weekend, and said this...

Pat;

And for the record Pat, the columbian followed me on this. I talked to John Laird on Friday and requested that slapdown. I initiated it, not John Laird.

Just sayin'.

B


Then this morning he sent me another note thanking me for finally publishing what he sent three days ago...

Pat isn't very good about actually reading Clarkblog, and instead Pat appears to be more comfy reacting to what others are telling him about Clarkblog...

So it goes...we'll see if he stopped digging at City Council last night when the video goes up on CVTV later today...

cewl

[Waterbuffalo]

<grin..> Ahh yes, finally...

ppcrn

[Chief]

Better late than never, Kommander Kneekap has weighed in on this, and is demonizing the columbian!

Didn't Larry get the memo that this was my handiwork??

Is there anything Pat Campbell can do that KK will disagree with ??

Consider the source....

::)


Shame on the Columbian

Date: June 13th, 2008

Jeers to The Columbian, Hiz Honors personal cheer leading fish wrapper, for criticizing Council Member Campbell for behaving like a gentleman and statesman when he apologized for Hiz Honor’s rude and crude remarks. Background: Mayor Pollard responded to Portland Metro Members who suggested placing a toll on the I-5 Bridge without a replacement bridge, “They know what they can do with their tolls. They can stuff them”.

According to the Columbian, Hiz Honor did nothing wrong and should not be criticized by a “Rookie City Councilor. Since the Hiz Honor did nothing wrong, I can only assume that it is now ok for Veteran Citizen who have had the misfortune of living under Pollard’s 6 terms of dictatorial rule and who years ago recommended that a toll be place on the I-5 bridge without light rail, to say to the Mayor, “He knows what he can do with his light rail bridge. He can stuff it”.

And to the Anti-Voters Columbian, we can now say without being rude, because as veteran citizens there is nothing wrong with what we say. “They know what they can do with their newspaper, They can stuff it”.

L. M. Patella
CDR USN (ret)

[Waterbuffalo]

From one of my friends who is a Vietnam and is a virtual certain insane personally, had a jaw drop when I showed him a few snippets of Larry and Pat's comments.

Yeah, that's right, he thinks he's insane because of his service.. And its takes a lot for him to get to a point that I found some one MORE insane as I nicely can put it.

Pat, if your reading this thread, you have a long road of learning to be a city councilman to representing the "Clark County" citizenry. It may take some good exposure and learning experiences like the one above to help you out.

But please stop listening to Larry Patella and his long lineage on his list? If Larry had any real meat or material, I doubt you would be seeing Chief. other community leaders and my condemnation of him for his comments without any credible facts to back up the comments.

Its time you learned this as an added fact. You represent a long list of constituents, not just the City of Vancouver people and side show in South East Clark county. On some boards, you represent Battle Ground, Ridgefield and Camas/Washougal but the whole Clark County constituency.

Please be careful in the future about what wisely what you say and think politically. Being a politician is no fun and people do get picked on and vilified personally.