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Chief
05-27-2008, 05:02 AM
http://www.oregonlive.com/news/oregonian/index.ssf?/base/news/1211858717191390.xml&coll=7

Congestion - A resolution backed by three Metro councilors reflects concern that a new bridge would just add traffic, sprawl

Tuesday, May 27, 2008
DYLAN RIVERA
The Oregonian Staff

Three of seven Metro councilors are scheduled today to oppose a proposed Interstate 5 bridge over the Columbia River, a potentially significant blow to a federally backed $4.2 billion effort to untangle congestion in one of the West Coast's worst bottlenecks.

The resolution calls for charging tolls on the current bridge between Portland and Vancouver, generating money to earthquake-proof the structure, make on-ramps safer and boost mass transit. The tolls would discourage use of the bridge at rush hour, relieving some congestion. Then in a few years, officials would consider a new bridge with additional lanes for cars and trucks.

"That would give us the information we don't have right now, which is how would people react to having to pay for the project?" said Carlotta Collette, one of the three councilors opposing a new bridge. Councilors Robert Liberty and Carl Hosticka also signed the resolution.

The resolution reflects growing concern that a new bridge -- by increasing capacity -- would eventually create new congestion and promote sprawling development. Until now, Liberty appeared to be the only elected official calling for a dramatically different solution.

The Columbia River Crossing, as the proposed span is known, is intended to relieve congestion and improve safety and mass transit on the five-mile stretch of highway that connects Oregon and Washington. Unblocking the bottleneck is especially vital to Clark County commuters and to truckers, who move vast amounts of freight up and down the West Coast on I-5.

Oregon and Washington have pitched five alternative bridge solutions, all up for review. One is to do nothing. But the most widely favored plan would replace the existing six-lane bridge with a new 12-lane span, a light-rail extension to Vancouver and renovation of six highway interchanges. That plan would significantly increase highway capacity.

The resolution is scheduled to be presented at a Metro Council work session at 2 p.m. today at the Metro Regional Center, 600 N.E. Grand Ave. A vote on the resolution is not anticipated until June 5, and final decisions on the bridge project are still weeks away.

But today's resolution calls into question the long-standing perception that the project was sure to win majority support of all eight public agencies in Oregon and Washington that have veto power over the project. Supporters, including Gov. Ted Kulongoski and the Portland Business Alliance, may have a tougher fight on their hands than was expected.

Bridge backers outraged

The move has sparked outrage among bridge supporters.

Corky Collier, executive director of the Columbia Corridor Association, which represents freight and neighborhood interests in North Portland, said the proposal flies in the face of a delicate political balance. Oregon leaders rightly want light rail extended to Clark County, he said, but leaders in southwest Washington won't accept rail without more lanes for freight and automobiles.

"For Oregon to say Clark County needs light rail and not a bridge is just a little bit on the arrogant side," Collier said. "This is teamwork. We're trying to put this project together as a group."

However, the resolution was encouraging to Jill Fuglister, co-director of the Coalition for a Livable Future, a group that was an early opponent of the bridge project. The councilors' proposal calls for a phased-in approach similar to what the coalition and other critics have been calling for.

The coalition has argued that worrisome information about climate change and a recent trend of motorists driving less in the face of high gas prices have diminished the need for a new bridge.

"We actually have to pause and think of a different approach," Fuglister said. "So that's good news that there are folks that have the power to make a different approach happen."

A 60-day public comment period on the bridge project's environmental impact statement ends July 1. The coalition and 12 other groups last week asked for a 60-day extension of the comment period.

Liberty and Hosticka were out of the country at a conference late last week. But Collette has been receiving phone calls from concerned business owners about the trio's proposal.

"They saw the resolution as an anti-bridge resolution, and I understand how they could," she said. "From my perspective, it's a resolution about having a better conversation and a bigger conversation, and how we as Metro respond to the people who have environmental concerns about this project."

The resolution also calls for building a small bridge to connect North Portland to Hayden Island.

Number of lanes an issue

A major issue is how many lanes are necessary on the bridge.

Highway engineers on the project have proposed three lanes in each direction that would carry traffic through the bridge area, about the same as the existing six-lane bridge and in line with a regional policy of having no more than six total through lanes on area highways. They also have planned for three auxiliary lanes in each direction -- relatively short lanes of less than a mile long that are intended to carry traffic from one on-ramp to a nearby off-ramp.

Critics have called the 12-lane plan a recipe for more driving and sprawling growth in Clark County. State highway engineers say they add minimal capacity, and they would cut down on merging and weaving of traffic, which increases the accident rate in the area.

Some bridge supporters, such as Metro Councilor Rex Burkholder, have called for more information on whether the auxiliary lanes would provide so much congestion relief that they would promote sprawl.

In a memo to the council, Richard Brandman, Metro deputy planning director, said the number of lanes is among several issues that are scheduled to be decided after this summer's votes on the project's need, alignment and mass transit option. Those issues include tolling rates, bicycle and pedestrian path design and designs of the six highway interchange renovations.

Burkholder has proposed his own resolution, which would endorse light rail and six total through lanes -- and call for the number of auxiliary lanes to be determined with local officials later.

The resolutions would direct Burkholder on how to vote in his role as a member of a 39-member Columbia River Crossing Task Force, which has been advising the Oregon and Washington transportation departments on what to do about the corridor for about two years.

The task force is expected to vote June 24 on which of the five alternatives should be the locally preferred option. Subsequent votes are expected this summer by the Portland and Vancouver city councils, transit agencies from both areas, regional planning agencies for both areas and the Oregon and Washington transportation departments.

Dylan Rivera: 503-221-8532; dylanrivera@news.oregonian.com For environment news, go to: oregonlive.com/environment


Some of these Metro people are late to the table with their ideas. Where were they when this was supposedly hashed out by the Task Force??

This extremely hostile attitude from Metro is almost guaranteed to shut this project down cold. Metro is a prime signatory on the agreement, and if they veto the project, it is done.

Developing...

Waterbuffalo
05-28-2008, 03:35 AM
A lot of what I read from Dylan's article shows how many people were not paying attention to this project. I'll agree Chief a lot of it is "Johnny-come-lately" stuff. Jill's group part of this group that could kill the project I think.

But for these people to think that this bridge is going to add to more traffic into the area, this brings up a few questions I would like to ask:

1) Where was Robert Liberty at the Task Force meetings over the past 3 years? 2)I'll accept Jill's need to have more time on the project but to add 60 days might be a further stretch than she is going to get because of the time line of this project.

3) Because of decisions of Metro over the past twenty years, THEY themselves pushed development into Clark County. To say otherwise would be an ignorant statement.

Of the 12 lanes on this new bridge, there will only be 1 extra lane provided for new growth from or to Clark County.. The rest are for safety reasons of merging traffic north and south of the bridge.

This leaves three lanes on each side for weaving traffic in a small 5 mile area. Its to help trucks get in and out of the Port of Portland and Vancouver areas. Also it leaves these lanes for dedicated merging and leaving to go to Jantzen Beach or areas immediately to get off into Downtown Vancouver or areas in North Portland.

To say this bridge has 12 through lanes on this project that I have I have heard expressed at some meeting in Portland and Vancouver through this project is a fallacy and I feel criminal to those that have spent 3 years of their lives dedicated to this project.

I can say if Metro kills this bridge over Global Warming concerns or some other hot political potato like it, is short sighted and ignorant of all the work that has been done by 1,000s of people and consultants over the past twenty years.

I may not agree with Light Rail coming into Vancouver but its a trade off and compromise our local community may have to do to get this bridge built. Some people on both sides of the river have their agendas and commentary which they can say to the Task Force and federal/regional/local partners.

But to kill this bridge over one "MINOR" issue when there are 5 or 10, which are: Safety and traffic congestion, Airport and Tug problems with the draw bridge on I-5 on the current span, the no tow areas that currently exist along this area because there is no place to safely navigate on to the shoulder? Trucks and drivers that have serious problems getting on and off this area's ramps safely.

I could go on and on with the list but for one or a couple of Portland based commissioners to hold up a project that has worldwide and national significance because of "congestion?"

Please tell me why this was not brought near a year ago or more instead of right now?

Chief
05-28-2008, 06:24 AM
Following Metro's line of thinking, why don't we save ourselves a lot of trouble, and just weld both lift spans open??

Voila! Instant fix, and no more congestion on the bridges!

Rex Burkholder is the Metro member on the Task Force, and there has never been a peep out of him about this at any of the meetings that I am aware of. Unless you attend Metro meetings, you would never know that this level of hostility was simmering so close to the surface.

Waterbuffalo
05-28-2008, 06:37 AM
I'll one better your idea and sick the methamphetime heads on the bridge with a big sign that says "Free Metal to the first thousand..."

Would fit Portland's recycling initiative to a T.

Chief
05-28-2008, 06:39 AM
Metro would love that! Solve the congestion and recycle the bridges doing it!

Call 23-43-Oh, Oh, Oh...

mrgrn

Waterbuffalo
05-28-2008, 09:51 AM
Yeah, the Coast Guard WOULD LOVE US would they with all the water rescues they'd have to do with all the drunk meth heads falling off the bridge. (Maybe they need ways for new water rescues and techniques?)

It WAS a thought that counted.. I still say, give out free acetylene torches and let 'em have at it when the new CRCP bridge is finally built! (whispers or not..)

May be OUR Mayor will lead the charge, as our city's highest recycling and climate change guru?

Chief
05-28-2008, 10:00 AM
If and when the time comes to recycle those bridges, the metal itself would fetch top dollar, because it is old steel, and very pure. It costs a lot to smelt iron ore down and make a high grade steel; it's much cheaper to remelt scrap, but you get a lot of contaminants that have to be burnt off or oxidized out.

Old scrap from decommissioned ships and old bridges is highly sought, so I'm sure part of the contract to wohomever was hired to tear out the old bridge would be salvage and recovery rights on the materials.

;)

Waterbuffalo
05-28-2008, 11:55 AM
Do you know that several of the naval boats and boatyards are PAYING to take Naval boats that have been decommissioned? They sought out for their metals and many other fun things after the nice parts and nasties have been removed.

So yeah, I can see this bridge going for top dollar and being built into many other fine buildings, construction and road construction projects far into the future.