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Chief
03-11-2008, 05:52 AM
http://www.oregonlive.com/metronorth/oregonian/index.ssf?/base/metro_north_news/120520592885220.xml&coll=7

Transit - Many business owners in downtown Vancouver think a light-rail line would destroy them

Tuesday, March 11, 2008

ALLAN BRETTMAN
The Oregonian Staff

VANCOUVER -- The shop owners from Vancouver listened politely to the testimonials.

Several visitors from the Portland area offered their experiences with light rail and MAX: the runup, the construction and the present-day impact.

There was former Portland mayor Bud Clark's daughter, her baby nearby, describing the pain of westside MAX construction for the Goose Hollow Inn. But, oh, the thirsty construction workers and the long-term payoff!

Ditto for the Nite Hawk Cafe & Lounge owner on North Interstate Avenue, the owners of a coffee shop on Interstate, a hair stylist and a member of the Gresham Downtown Development Association.

The Oregonians finished their stories. Then the Vancouver group had their say -- and they ripped into a proposed light-rail line: This project, this harebrained idea to run a transit line up Main Street, will destroy us, plain and simple.

"I absolutely cannot see the benefit of light rail coming down Main Street," said Judy Schumacher, owner of The Village Pearl gift shop at 1911 Main St., her voice shaking with anger.

Columbia River Crossing officials emphasize time and again that nothing about the project has been decided, including whether light rail or rapid bus transit will link Vancouver to MAX's Yellow Line.

But business owners near downtown Vancouver see a light-rail line headed their way. Many of them don't like the idea.

Their complaints prompted the Vancouver City Council to decree Feb. 11 that a line segment should be shifted off a six-block segment of Main Street and a block over to Broadway, so that street would have two lines instead of one. Now business owners on Broadway are upset.

"I see no reason for it," says Colin Huff, who owns a building on Broadway.

The transit alignment angst is one of several issues Columbia crossing officials are grappling with as they head toward issuing a draft environmental impact statement in the spring.

Despite the council's decree, the document will include a single, one-direction line on Main Street as one of the transit alignment options. But crossing officials stress that final decisions will reflect a mix of local desires and transportation data.

A transit mode -- either light rail or rapid bus transit -- has not been officially chosen. But Columbia crossing project maps show a transit line from a bridge entering downtown Vancouver and extending about a mile north to an east-west street, McLoughlin Boulevard.

From there, one idea shows the transit line extending to Clark College, which is on the other side of Interstate 5, then perhaps following I-5 north to an area near the 39th Street exit. Another would keep the transit line on city streets, including Main Street.

Officials say construction of a new line next to I-5 would be more expensive than the in-town option. Some officials have suggested ending the line at the community college.

Estimates for a new bridge have ranged as high as $4.2 billion. The crossing will enter a competitive grant process later this year with hopes of obtaining as much as $750 million in federal money to pay for the transit component.

The possibility of a six-block segment north of downtown has been a galvanizing force for Uptown Village merchants.

They fear a transit line will disrupt their quaint shopping area of brick sidewalks, wiping out what they and their many predecessors have for years envisioned as Vancouver's version of Portland's Northwest 23rd Avenue or Hawthorne Boulevard.

The Dairy Queen on Main Street has served as a rallying point for transit opponents.

Preliminary maps showed a line passing by parking entrances on Main as well as Broadway.

"That pretty much would have shut us down," said Chris Beatty, restaurant manager.

Neighborhood residents rallied to the DQ's defense. They produced buttons declaring "Save Our Queen," a fixture at the location since 1948.

Crossing spokeswoman Carley Francis said the DQ is "a major community resource, and we want do everything we can to . . . keep it accessible to the neighborhood."

While transit supporters on Main exist, they are few.

Attitudes against the line are, generally, "ludicrous," said Chris Moritz, co-owner of Main Street Bakery.

"I look at it as commuter friendly," said Moritz, a Buffalo, N.Y., native. "If they're going to go by my business, they're going to see I have my business -- where they may not have known that before."

Could be, but the Uptown Village Association took a poll on the matter. Light rail on Main Street was a big loser.

Allan Brettman: 360-896-5746 or 503-294-5900; allanbrettman@ news.oregonian.com

Chief
03-12-2008, 08:01 AM
bttt

This seems to have been lost in the shuffle....

Tefen, what is your take on this, and how does this match up with your Lincoln NA meeting the other night??

If there is this much opposition to Loot Rail in Downtown, why continue the charade??

tefen
03-12-2008, 11:23 AM
There's a lot of opposition to LRT downtown. Uptown Village (Main St between McLoughlin and Fourth Plain) is used regularly as a leverage point against LRT. As you know, the Dairy Queen is also involved in this with the Save the Queen campaign.

Then there's the park and ride issue, the traffic and access issues along upper Main Street, and the eminent domain issues.

I think it's safe to say that there's a large and vocal push for the I-5 alignment from my side of the freeway. I don't know how Central Park and Rose Village feels about that.

I think the LRT supporters are there, but they're certainly not as vocal. Why would they be?

Chief
03-12-2008, 11:42 AM
Just out of curiosity tefen, have you heard any reaction to Sharon Nassett's "Third Bridge" concept, especially the part about building a viaduct through North Vancouver??

tefen
03-12-2008, 12:08 PM
A gentleman (whose house would be removed by the Park and Ride) asked if the 3rd bridge had been given much consideration at our last neighborhood meeting. The response was that yes it had and that it didn't fit the need at this time. He seemed satisfied with that.

Otherwise, I haven't heard any discussion of it.

Chief
03-12-2008, 12:12 PM
The paper said there were 40 people at this meeting Candidate Debbie Peterson sponsored for Sharon Nassett on Saturday, but other than Jerry Oliver and Jeff Mize, I don't know of anyone else who attended it...at least noone that will admit it...

8)

Waterbuffalo
03-12-2008, 07:30 PM
Not even I attended that function... Chief and I have heard the same concept at CRC meetings over and over again with just fine tweaks according to her own wishes and specks to rile people up.

This woman doesn't have any thing new to tell me because her ideas aren't why this bridge isn't built..

To Tefen, I'd love to hear more on how your side of the aisle is thinking instead of me spouting off on the issue. Chief and I could go on for HOURS on the subject.. Even in person! :-) (Our after HCT discussion was near an hour and still had a lot to say...)