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Chief
03-10-2008, 05:38 AM
http://columbian.com/news/localNews/2008/03/03102008_Supporters-of-third-bridge-call-for-outcry.cfm

Monday, March 10, 2008

By HOWARD BUCK, Columbian staff writer

Shunned by a Columbia River Crossing task force that seems intent on a new Interstate 5 span with rapid transit, boosters of a third bridge want Clark County residents to bombard local leaders with demands to reconsider.

Their rally cry, lifted straight from last year’s solid defeat of a Port of Vancouver tax levy: Don’t let anyone tell you the deal is done.

“The elected officials will do what you want, if you call, if you write,” said Debbie Peterson, who organized a forum Sunday that drew about 40 people to the county’s Public Service Center.


“Do it every day, have your friends do it every day, and it will make a difference,” she said. Suggested targets are Clark County commissioners and Vancouver city council members.

Peterson is a Republican who plans to run for the legislative seat now held by Rep. Bill Fromhold, D-Vancouver.

Her guest Sunday was Sharon Nasset, a Portlander who has long pushed for a new truck, commuter traffic and transit route that would cross the Columbia near the existing railroad bridge, which is west and downriver of the I-5 bridge.

Using charts, excerpts from regional planning studies and e-mail messages, Nasset recounted how the “third-bridge option” got shoved aside by the CRC panel, for political and other reasons.

But the forum’s high point came when Jerry Oliver, newly elected Port of Vancouver commissioner, stood to endorse much of Nasset’s argument.

Oliver rode public anger over the port tax to unseat three-term incumbent Arch Miller in November, making his point all the more compelling.

“I’m a strong proponent. I believe in a third bridge,” Oliver said. “We need to keep pushing, like water dripping on a stone.”

Oliver said he and most Southwest Washington residents share blame for letting the Crossing panel push a plan to rebuild existing I-5 spans.

“There is an agenda. It’s not something that’s really addressing the needs of commuters,” Oliver said. A self-described “pro-growth, pro-jobs” advocate, he predicts daily commuters to Portland will triple to 180,000 as Clark County doubles in population within 20 years, he said.

To ward off disaster, he urged anti-light rail and pro-third bridge forces to crowd critical upcoming CRC meetings.

A “preferred local option” and draft environmental impact statement will be weighed at public hearings set for April 28 at the Hilton Vancouver Washington, and April 30 at the Red Lion Hotel on Jantzen Beach.

Before that are several open CRC meetings with Clark County community groups.

“We need to pack that meeting on April 28,” Oliver said. Given the pending CRC alternatives of a new I-5 span with light rail or express bus lanes attached or a “no-build” option, “My favorite option would be ‘no build,’ ” he said. “We need a fourth option.”

Nasset said regional planners trying to uncork Vancouver-Portland’s I-5 and rail bottlenecks long ago identified a corridor that links the two cities’ bustling ports as one answer.

According to National Environmental Protection Act (NEPA) guidelines, that third-bridge option deserves careful study equal to evaluation of the existing I-5 route, she said. Instead, the Crossing panel purposefully squeezed the range of scope to preclude any new corridor, she said.

“Do not let them say it’s ‘outside of the project area,’ ” Nasset said. The intersection of major rail lines, ports and truck traffic all point to the “BiState Industrial Corridor” she proposes, she said.


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“Your elected officials have a right to pull the plug” on I-5 bridge replacement, Nasset said.

Vancouver’s Peterson said CRC declined an invitation to have a representative at Sunday’s forum.

Attempts by The Columbian to reach a CRC spokesperson on Sunday were unsuccessful.

Traffic engineers previously rejected the alternate bridge as a congestion-buster because it would not drain enough of mounting traffic from I-5. But third-bridge proponents argue that I-5 chokepoints near central Portland doom effectiveness of a new, $4 billion I-5 bridge.

Points raised by Nasset:

* How to get southbound traffic from I-5 to a bridge that would access Hayden Island and north Portland? Build a viaduct to whisk traffic above Mill Plain Boulevard, removing truck traffic from downtown, she said.

* To critics who say motorists won’t detour an extra mile to reach the bridge, she wonders why a bridge toll is suggested for I-205 — a six-mile detour — when I-5 is tolled.

* Clark County residents must insist on consistent, transparent planning as future corridors and light-rail lines are mapped. She compared shifting routes of proposed light rail along Vancouver’s Main Street, Broadway or McLoughlin Boulevard to the recent bungling of a proposed Cesar Chavez Boulevard name change by Portland city council members.

“Moving it around willy-nilly because someone complained, that’s not (effective) process,” Nasset said.

Chief
03-10-2008, 06:13 AM
Great Googely-Moogely!! Where do I start!!??

First, the only reason this article appeared on the front page today is because it is also inflammatory, and the columbian thinks they are going to sell more papers because of it.

Next, Port Commissioner Jerry oliver has some 'splainin' to do, and I'll be asking him a few questions about this very soon.

Regular readers of this blog know Sharon Nassett very, very well, as I have documented what a public nuisance she is about her so-called "third bridge" ideas. As you can see, she's been recycling this idea over and over again for at least the past decade. She is on her third launch of this failed idea, and strangely enough it coincides with her next run at Portland City Council.

Let me be clear about a few features of her plan.

** There is absolutely no need for any kind of roadway between the Port of Vancouver and the Port of Portland, as her plan proposes. The Port of Vancouver Commissioners discussed this very thing with Executive Director Larry Paulason during one of the last regular meetings back in December, and rejected it again because it does nothing whatsoever for the Port of Vancouver, and is in fact completely out of line with all of the existing, and ongoing projects at the Port; such as the West Vancouver Freight Access Project.

** Sharon Nassett has been presenting this plan non-stop for over ten years. For her to claim that it has been rejected without due consideration is an outright lie. She has personally lobbied this idea to every single public official and entity over on this side of the River for a decade. She has made machine-gun English presentations to Vancouver City Council, The Port of Vancouver Commissioners, the Clark County Commissioners, lobbied every single one of our local Legislators, and has spammed them with literally thousands of pieces of paper, and e-mailed messages for years. And she is a North Portland, Oregon Resident!!

** There isn't a hope in hell of building a "viaduct" over the top of North Vancouver's neighborhoods in order to hook Sharon's bridge ideas up with Interstate 5, and that is exactly what this plan would require.

** There isn't a hope in hell of building any kind of new road across Sauvie's Island. That is some of the last productive farmland in Multnomah County, and holds one of the most significant preserves in the entire area, and there is no chance of building a bridge to Sauvie's Island or a viaduct across the Island to connect it to SR-30, and that is exactly what Sharon Nassett's plan requires.

** I spoke to the Port of Vancouver Commissioners at their last regular meeting, to express my concerns about putting Jerry Oliver on RTC's High Capacity Transit Study Group, because I felt he had no experience in such matters, and I felt he was a potential embarrassment to the Commission. This article proves my fears have come true. To endorse this idea is one thing, but to urge people to go disrupt all of our local Governments so we can sell the ideas of a regular candidate to Portland City Council is quite another...

Please take the time to study that map. That's off of one of Sharon Nassett's websites, and you can clearly see that there is no hope for that kind of route. Also notice that her original plan called for a tunnel instead of a bridge. The idea of a tunnel for this application has been proved over and over again to be non viable, because it would isolate the City of Vancouver from I-5 from approximately Evergreen Blvd. where the tunnel would start, South,

So, Sharon did away with the tunnel, substituted a bridge with no considerations about the Washington side, renamed it "Alternative 14" and submitted it to the Columbia Crossing Project Task Force over 2 years ago. It was rejected for well explained reasons then, and those reasons have been repeatedly re-stated by every single entity that has anything to do with the CRCP.

For the life of me I cannot understand why people who normally bitch so loudly about "Portland Envy" in their denouncements of everything to do wwth the Columbia Crossing Project, are so willing to fall in behind a North Portland failed political candidate with an agenda that does nothing for our side of the river.

More on this as the day wears on...

Fisticuffs
03-10-2008, 12:37 PM
On the contrast of "Portland envy"-bashing with associating with Nassett:

A) Associating with a failed candidate hardly indicates any sympathy with actually enacted Portland policies.

But moreso -

B) It's only facing imminent action including tolls on I-5 that is motivating most people to just now start looking for other options. None of them on this side of the river have had the time or motivation to put together a detailed alternative proposal before now. Nassett has, and having some sort of ready made plan is easier to talk about than to make up a new one. That been almost explicitly pointed out to me - when I first heard of this forum from Debbie Peterson herself, she said she wasn't endorsing Nassett's specific plan, but was using it as something of a starting point.


And yeah, a "viaduct" over the heads of Vancouver residents isn't going to happen...

Chief
03-10-2008, 01:02 PM
Debbie Patterson may be trying to do some damage control on this, but she sponsored the event. Sharon Nasset was Debbie's guest, not the other way around...she may not be endorsing it, but she certainly made all appearances like she is.

Again, this plan has been studied over, and over, and over again by every single Governmental Agency within 100 miles of Vancouver, and not one of them has endorsed this idea, in fact, they have all denounced it as impractical and for failing to address any of the problems on the Columbia Crossing.

I am also offended by anyone who suggests that going around to all of our local Government agencies and disrupting their proceedings is a valid way to do business. Sending people out to have temper tantrums until your idea is adopted. and calling for a public outcry when one is so obviously misinformed on such an important local issue seems like an unsound idea for any political newbie like Debbie. Please let her know that I certainly do not and will not endorse that idea here at Clarkblog.

You really have to experience Sharon Nassett's delivery for yourself too...as a former Law Student, I think even Fisticuffs would be impressed...

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Fisticuffs
03-10-2008, 02:03 PM
My current thoughts on the crossing are here, at my own new blog: http://upsalmoncreek.blogspot.com/2008/03/columbia-river-crossing.html

You're welcome to nitpick me till the cows come home. Since I don't have any cows, that's an indefinite invitation.

Waterbuffalo
03-11-2008, 08:18 AM
I'll start my notes here:

To remind every one who might be reading this including fisticuffs, chief, tefen and karma about Sharon and the above commentary.

There was a tunnel consider for this Columbia River Crossing. 1) Its was deemed to exspensive. 2) It would bypass North Portland-Marine Drive connector and three would avoid areas that are trying to be addresed. Like all the shoppers going into Jantzen Beach and that have homes in the North Portland area.

For Debbie to call for a public outcry when she herself has never been to the Columbia River Crossing meetings over the the past two years is the same call to the kettle black that I hear from Sharon.

I give no credence to Sharon because her ideas are dead in the water. Too long to explain, but please check the Clarkblog archives for more information to what Chief, Tefen (Wonderful GIS maps) and I have spent almost near 2 years dealing with. If you need to, please use google to get a rather breathe of what we be saying...

To Jerry and his ideals, I will step right next to Chief and call him, "foolish." This man is only stepping into these meetings for political brownie points instead of actually coming up with some ideas that will help the citizens of Clark County.

Waterbuffalo
03-11-2008, 08:19 AM
"In short, it's my sense that we need to BOTH replace the I-5 Bridge, and build a new bridge. Sadly, the money probably isn't there for both, which results in the present showdown between light-rail coveting powers-that-be and an angry citizenry more concerned with congestion than safety (at the moment)."

I like your idea Fisticuffs.. :-)

Linky: http://upsalmoncreek.blogspot.com/2008/03/columbia-river-crossing.html