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Chief
03-01-2008, 12:42 PM
http://www.oregonlive.com/commentary/oregonian/index.ssf?/base/editorial/120424831859520.xml&coll=7

Friday, February 29, 2008
M etro Councilor Rex Burkholder, Fred Hansen of TriMet and Gail Achterman of the Oregon Transportation Commission, offer a puny defense of the need for a replacement bridge across the Columbia River (In My Opinion, Feb. 22).

While these three have impeccable credentials, there is a lot they omit in their defense of the $4.2 billion Big Bridge.

The trio admits that it is a "valid concern" that greenhouse gas emissions will increase with the proposed bridge because 40 percent of such emissions are caused by fossil fuel for vehicle transportation. But these environmentalists blithely sweep aside the true impact of the 12-lane bridge they are promoting. That impact is a 40 percent increase by 2030 in vehicle-miles traveled over the crossing. That means more than a 40 percent increase in global warming pollution with any of the alternatives the bridge task force is proposing.

To be on track to meet standards passed by the Oregon and Washington legislatures, a 30 percent reduction in greenhouse gas emissions is required by 2030.

It's tempting to say that no individual project makes a big difference in the huge challenge of global warming. But this expensive project is clearly a step in the wrong direction. There are catastrophic consequences for continuing to ignore climate change -- in Oregon a 5 percent change in temperature, expected by 2050 if we don't change current trends, would have a dramatic impact on our snowpack in the Cascades and our water supply. It would put much of the Oregon coast underwater with the melting of the Arctic icecap.

The writers suggest the bridge is going to fall down if it's not replaced, which is contrary to the tens of millions of dollars spent to shore it up in recent years.

The cost of virtually eliminating seismic risk on the current bridge is $165 million to $250 million. Safety improvements are even less expensive, and, if done right, would focus largely on the current numerous on-ramps and off-ramps near the bridge, not the bridge itself. A low-profile light-rail bridge, also serving pedestrians and cyclists, is estimated to cost less than $500 million if built alongside the existing crossing.

The "years of serious analysis and intense community engagement" cited by our trio have not addressed climate change, nor have they honestly told people how much they are going to have to pay locally to support Clark County commuters and sprawl.

Everyone wants a big new bridge if you suggest it is free to them and you don't tell them you are dramatically expanding greenhouse gas emissions, and you don't tell them you are just moving the congestion down the road a few miles, and you don't tell them what you are not doing in the region in order to be able to create this stranded investment.

This is a fairy tale told by the auto, oil and trucking lobbies. Elected officials in Metro and the city should vote against any replacement bridge.

Ronald A. Buel is a Portland businessman.


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Chief
03-01-2008, 12:44 PM
And I'll bet you thought all the bridge-haters lived on this side of the River...I'm betting that this fellow knows you-know-who, or at least gets the Local Mailing List rants....

But his bottom line is that there's nothing wrong with the existing bridges (even though he completely ignores the issue of the lift spans) and this is all just something to benefit Clark County.

Believe me, there are plenety of people in Portland who think this way...

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tefen
03-01-2008, 03:35 PM
" That impact is a 40 percent increase by 2030 in vehicle-miles traveled over the crossing. That means more than a 40 percent increase in global warming pollution with any of the alternatives the bridge task force is proposing. "

Assuming that in 20 years cars don't get cleaner and/or stop using fossil fuels all together.

Waterbuffalo
03-01-2008, 05:32 PM
I'll keep my commentary simple.. Unless the diesel and gasoline engines get better, there is always going to be some form of smog in the metroplexes of the US and may be the world.

To comment on MR. Buels commentary and to the Portland side of the river, IF one THINKS that there is not going to be MORE truck and car traffic, you need a free bus back to another state. The trucks are NOT going to be coming from Ports but will be coming from all of the businesses that are relocating up near Ridgefield, Kalama and some from Kelso-Longview along with many other small, fine cities to the north. Guess where there Target audience is?

With all of the new businesses being created in Clark County and Portland area, how does ones goods get from sales agent to customer? This comment is NOT about the Port of Vancouver who's customers and businesses are rail dependent and will come even more so in the future.

Heck, even Port of Kalama and Kelso-Longiew areas up north are looking to add rail tenants (may be from different industries than PoV targets.) So the subject isn't really to me a starting point.

But I bet there is a Million different, little small businesses with men and women in them that have to ship there products. Going to bet a lot of the small businesses here in Clark County and Portland Metro area are mostly Local focused. Yes, there might be a few exceptions to that rule like Web or IT based companies that provide software or technical help.

So I think this guy is full of hogwash and honestly, really doesn't have a sense of how ACTUALLY we're dependent on the two river crossing we have. If one of them fell down or had problems, you would see a Minneapolis cry at the government to fix it and wondering why nothing was/is being done about it.

Lets get this bridge done and teach Portland environmentalists a lesson, shall we?

Chief
03-01-2008, 07:43 PM
The Portland Liberals don't think much of us over here in Vantucky, and they aren't too happy about paying for "our" traffic problems over here.

This could get ugly at these upcoming hearings if the Enviro-Weenies pull out all the stops.

If they built portions of the new bridge out of carbon fiber, would that mitigate the carbon footprint??

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Waterbuffalo
03-01-2008, 10:02 PM
I simply don't think they get what's coming.. There is honestly nothing they can do to stop the general populace of the US bringing in more cargo to fill our desires. I think we could manage more of our trafffic coming from Vancouver by providing more jobs and incentives to stay on this side of the river.

But honestly to all of our readers, isn't Portland GROWING too? Its not just us who's suffering from growth problems. You can't stuff evey one on a train or bus to get around. It simply just won't happen. So one must built the faclities and investments that need to be done. Or the populace that lives in the affected areas then needs to make it clearly known they don't want the jobs, economic growth or building that is coming.

The problem is its coming whether I or any fool in Portland doesn't like it. Get over it, move on and lets get the damn thing built.

Chief
03-02-2008, 07:20 AM
This guy would be the first one to scream if some trucker didn't deliver his wide selection of organic vegan food to his local grocery store...

Further evidence of the sissification of Portland...

ddrrii

Waterbuffalo
03-02-2008, 11:13 AM
There is NO free lunch folks.. Whether I like the price that has to be paid for the Columbia River Crossing or any other million of things, its going to be paid now or later?

Now does it have to come with acruitments like Light Rail or Bus Rapid Transit? That's a political discussion the old farts will be having at a McD's for the next millenium.. I want to focus on getting infrastructure built. NOT wasting time worry about 1 billion for a light rail system that frankly is only 10 percent of the total cost IMO of this bridge project.

If one looks at all of the costs in construction materials, this will be a phased, multi-year projects and could end up costing more than $10 Billion before its finished.

Am I wrong?

Chief
03-02-2008, 11:55 AM
Since the CRCP has been so tight-fisted with realistic estimates of the costs, and because the actual engineering is far from complete, you may not only be right, but you could well be under, depending on what is being built.

Right now they will only admit to a little over four billion, but I assure you that figure will not cover what the Mayor was talking about in his SOTC speech last week.

ddrrii

Waterbuffalo
03-03-2008, 02:52 AM
My next honest comment is I think the CRCP and WashDOT are going to try and skimp on that cover over Fort Vancouver/The Reserve. Whom ever is the next mayor will be the one who has to fight to keep that from turning into just a slip of paper thin guideway across the I-5.

Honestly, because a lot of the engineering still isn't completed and with a lot of the construction materials from cement to rebar going to China to build up their economies of scale. Wouldn't even blink or bash of an eye if a lot of the project promises are not fulfilled or the bridge along with the overcommitments could run past $10B.