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Chief
02-25-2008, 04:28 PM
http://www.columbian.com/business/businessNews/2008/02/02242008_Vancouver-hungry-for-fine-dining.cfm

Sunday, February 24, 2008
By PAUL CRAIG, Columbian staff writer

The best hamburger in the Portland metropolitan area is served at a Vancouver restaurant, according to the Web site Citysearch. The chef responsible for putting that burger on the menu at Vinetopia said it’s an item he never intended to serve.

Alan Lake, the executive chef at the restaurant inside the Cinetopia movie theater complex, with 25 years of culinary experience, said when he created the menu for the business in 2005, it was “probably the hippest, coolest menu I’ve written in my entire career.” Within three months, he said, the adventurous items were not selling as well as dishes with more common ingredients.

Kobe beef was replaced by hamburger, he said.

“Instead of getting crazier and more far out, it got more conservative,” he said of the menu, “and the truth is, by getting more conservative, it increased our bottom line.”
Lake, who has cooked around the country and earned awards along the way, said he doesn’t believe upscale dining is viable in Vancouver. Others feel differently.
One upscale restaurant is expanding. Brad Root, owner and executive chef at Roots Restaurant and Bar in the Riverstone Marketplace in east Vancouver, has started a $125,000 project that will double his bar’s size and add seating.

**SCHNIPP**

This article is excellent commentary on the rift here in vancouver between the people who live here, and the elites on the West Side of I-5 in downtown.

They cannot understand why people at Cinetopia would rather have a good hamburger than a Kobe Beef entree at twice the price.

It's because the younger couples who are going there are on a date night, are on the hook for a baby sitter, and don't have the budget for Cinetopia and Kobe beef on the same night. (Many probably cannot appreciate Kobe Beef anyway...)

Bacchus was supposed to be a big deal up here in Cascade Park when it opened a few years ago because it was the first real "white tablecoth" fine dining restaurant on this end of town. It was recognized at the time as a sign of the "maurity: of Cascade Park, blh, blah, blah.

Bacchus lasted about 2 years because most of the people who would consider going there couldn't afford one of their bottles of wine, much less a full course meal. It's not that folks are cheap, but you need to know your audience. People in Vancouver are a lot more likely to want some well-made fried chicken over an outstanding culinary presentation of fois gras...

Know thy audience. This is why I don't buy any of the explanations about attracting the arts and croissant crowd into a new Vancouver Pearl District at the former Boise Cascade site. It's a fantasy, built on a dream...

Stout hearts...

Chief
02-25-2008, 05:14 PM
I know!!

Why doesn't the City of Vancouver buy a Ruth's Chris Steak House franchise, and install it down on "Our Waterfront" at the Boise site??

Shouldn't cost more then $10-$15 Million for a Franchise License, and I'm sure Gramor will design "The People's Steak House" (for a nominal fee...)

;)

tefen
02-25-2008, 07:21 PM
http://www.thecolumbianb2b.com/aprjune2007/lunch.cfm

A dozen restaurant recommendations for business meetings. No sign of Vestas or Bacchaus on there, I don't know if either were open at the time this was published.

I do believe that all these are open still, and I imagine some of 'em must have Kobe beef. (Not that I know what that is, does it involve the Lakers somehow?)

Chief
02-25-2008, 07:25 PM
http://www.thecolumbianb2b.com/aprjune2007/lunch.cfm


I do believe that all these are open still, and I imagine some of 'em must have Kobe beef. (Not that I know what that is, does it involve the Lakers somehow?)

**SNORT**

That's exactly why they took it off the menu at Cinetopia...

:laugh:

Waterbuffalo
02-25-2008, 10:21 PM
I got a BETTER suggestion.. Why not open a Woodland favorite, Oaktree restaraunt downtown? That place would be PACKED!

Now why do I have such an urgent feeling we'll be seeing FuFi shu type Downtown Portland restaraunts like Chief's comments about Monami coming up in this development?

Honestly, there IS NOT enough good, decent restaraunts in Downtown Vancouver. Though I have heard some good stuff about Jerusalem Cafe.. Have to check them out some time.

Waterbuffalo
02-25-2008, 10:23 PM
Over the past two weeks, I've been spending a lot of time downtown Vancouver going from near the City Hall Stop to the Public Service center at CC. Honestly Chief, most of the nice days, the downtown area is a ghost town.

So ANY good restaurants are going to bring some people into the area.

I'll add my vote for McMenimans or Ruth Chris Steak House to the list.. There are not enough good steak houses on the west side!!! :-)

Chief
02-26-2008, 05:45 AM
There already is a McMenamin's near Downtown, over by Beaches. Those are two very successful restaurants, but go examine their menus. They aren't selling Kobe Beef either, and for the same reasons...

Who Song and Larry's is another Vancouver Icon, and they are serving Tex Mex...

You let me know if you hear of someone with several hundred thou, who wants to throw it all into a high end restaurant at the Boise Cascade site...within walking distance of subsidised Public Housing...

karma
02-26-2008, 08:46 AM
Shhhhhhh Buff, don't use the words 'Ghost Town.' Now you are beginning to sound like karma???

Waterbuffalo
02-26-2008, 02:32 PM
Read some of my comments on other threads Karma.. I'm starting to sound quite like you...

I knew several people who used to work at Who Songs.. I LOVE that place.

Didn't know there was a McMenumins (never get the spelling right.) near that area. Guess I'll have to get my money together and take some people to an expensive dinner some time.

Now where is Tefen's idea for making the old hospital on the Reserve a mcmenamins? I still love the idea.

Chief
02-26-2008, 04:17 PM
My point is, one man's fine cheese is another man's rotted milk...

A good restaurant gives their customers what they want, not what the restaurant thinks they should be eating. "Fine Dining" to many people here in town means the Sunday trip to the Old Country Barffet out by Vancouver Mall...

Waterbuffalo
02-26-2008, 11:01 PM
""Fine Dining" to many people here in town means the Sunday trip to the Old Country Barffet out by Vancouver Mall..."

Should this be in your quips section of Clarkblog??? :-D

I SOOOO Believe this ONE!

How about a Sunday Morning trip to Carol's Cup on 78th and St. Johns?

tefen
02-27-2008, 07:30 AM
Dulin's, Catherine's, and Fatty Patty's are always favorites for Sunday breakfast.

Waterbuffalo
02-27-2008, 05:20 PM
:-) Don't make me drool Tefen.. Dulin's is right up there for lunch and breakfast. I know of fatty patty's, but where is Catherine's?

Chief
02-27-2008, 06:33 PM
What we need is a Pig n' Pancake here in Vancouver...it's hard to screw up breakfast...

Waterbuffalo
02-27-2008, 10:33 PM
One of my favorite sits in Astoria.

Your right,we DO need a decent breakfast place in Vancouver.. How about one IN downtown?