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Chief
02-17-2008, 07:58 AM
http://www.columbian.com/news/localNews/2008/02/02172008_Neighborhoods-open-stage-to-opinions-on-rail.cfm

Sunday, February 17, 2008
BY JEFFREY MIZE, Columbian staff writer

Whether it turns out to be an informative discussion or a rambling free-for-all, this week's forum on light rail is already stirring up a ruckus.

Fifteen Vancouver neighborhood associations are sponsoring the forum. Instead of a traditional format, with panelists giving presentations and answering questions, organizers want a free-flowing discussion where virtually anyone can speak.

"Each neighborhood, because they are co-sponsors, are allowed to invite whomever they would like to speak," said Anne McEnerny-Ogle, chairwoman of the Shumway Neighborhood Association.

The forum also won't feature a dais.

"We will be 'in the realm,' " McEnerny-Ogle said. "We will not have panelists sitting up there talking to us."

Any discussion of light rail is a flash point for the Columbia River Crossing project, a $4 billion-plus package that likely will include replacing the Interstate 5 Bridge, building a series of highway improvements and extending Portland's light-rail line into Vancouver.

CVTV, the Clark County-Vancouver cable television network, has irked some by declining to cover what it characterizes as a "neighborhood event."

Charlie Stemper, a two-time candidate for Vancouver City Council, sent out a newsletter Thursday questioning CVTV's decision.

"This is your government television station paid by your tax dollars saying that an unbiased forum is not worth their effort to tell all sides," Stemper wrote. "Maybe CVTV needs to realize that they work for the public and that an event sponsored by 15 neighborhoods needs to be covered. If they cover everything else, why would they exclude the most important ingredient of any government, its citizens?"

Jim Demmon, CVTV's cable television manager, said the city-county government agency does cover the Hazel Dell Parade of Bands and other community events, but only at the request of one of the two governments, he said.

The format for Wednesday's forum provides its own challenges, he said.

"It's very hard for us to cover something like that," he said. "You can't get microphones to everyone."

Demmon said he has forwarded information about Wednesday's event to Fort Vancouver Community Television, a public access provider that produces programming on cable Channel 11.

"We understand there is a great amount of interest," Demmon said, adding that CVTV has covered every city council discussion of the Columbia River Crossing project and is producing a "City Minutes" program on the issue.

A few points are in order here...

First: ...Charles P. Stemper 9,477 votes out of 22,822 votes cast, or 41.53%...November 6, 2007... .

Next, this has been long standing CVTV policy and these people know it. They want a public forum to excoriate people from and they want CVTV to pay for it. Think about who the new participants are in this, and you will see what I mean.

This is CAVE trying to grab the attention...

tefen
02-17-2008, 08:22 AM
I was thinking about going to this event. But it sounds like it's going to be more of a gripe-fest than a structured conversation.

Chief
02-17-2008, 08:38 AM
I was thinking about going to this event. But it sounds like it's going to be more of a gripe-fest than a structured conversation.

That's exactly what I think is being attempted tefen. The people pushing for CVTV coverage, CAVE and the ConStemperaries are late to this process. Arnada, Shumway, Lincoln and many others have been discussing this in regular NA's for over a year. I tried to generate interest among this group last year, and none of them could be bothered to even attend a Columbia Crossing Event.

Now they want live TV coverage?? So Stepahnie Turlay, Charlie Stemper, and (God forbid ) Larry Patella show up to sieze the microphone?? How well is that playing Downtown tefen?

And just in case you don't think Patella is involved, check this out:

Are the Light Rail advocates hiding something?

http://www.westerndredging.org/cgi-bin/mail.cgi/archive/Local/20080214080245/

Are the Light Rail advocates hiding something?

Date: February 14th, 2008


Please the attached:

By an earlier email you were advised of a Forum arranged by some 14 neighborhood association to learn more about the Why, and Cost of the proposed Light Rail into Vancouver,

By the Attached we now find that CCTV (subsidized with your tax dollars) is refusing to broadcast this important Forum. Is it because the tax and spend crowd who support light rail do not want the neighborhood associations and other throughout Clark County to learn about all the facts surrounding this large expenditure of our hard earned tax dollars?

Please read the attached.


L. M. Patella
CDR USN (ret)
2714 NE 42nd Circle
Vancouver, WA 98663
Tel: 360 750 1186

lmpatella@comcast.net


CVTV ain't stupid, and they know this crowd up here in Cascade Park very well, having been badgered, harrangued, and denounced in public by them many times before. CVTV does not have an infinite budget nor do they have a Charter that includes covering Neighborhood Association meetings, no matter how many of them get together for an event...

I would also point out that the columbian is the only way Stemper can get his message out these days because nobody on the internet wants to hear from him any longer.

Chief
02-17-2008, 08:58 AM
What's more ironic about this too is that 2 years ago during the Library Bond Campaign, Charlie Stemper was one of the people whose only answer to the passage of the Levy was to cancel everyone's subscription to the columbian.

That was all Charlie Stemper could come up with at the time, and now he's come full circle in that only his much-hated columbian will give him any mention at all.

So it goes...

::)

Waterbuffalo
02-17-2008, 08:13 PM
I may still go to it just to get all sides on the subject..

But I think Chief caught my attention after the Jim Dunn event. So I'll think this one over. Still think I should hear all sides of a story before I make my own mind up.

But I quite agree with you Chief, this is probably just going to be a shout fest and Rail against the City of Vancouver, the mayor and on and on and on...

Back to the comments on CVTV, does Larry, Charley and Jerry know that this station IS funded by Comcast subscribers NOT by the City or County,, Yes, its government controlled. But guess who pays for it.

If one needs further proof, please go to the Telecommunications Commission and read the data from it.

http://www.cityofvancouver.us/boards.asp?menuid=10462&submenuid=10475&itemID=26072

Waterbuffalo
02-17-2008, 08:17 PM
The reason WHY Larry or the rest of the gang isn't going to get a free ride is Comcast has a Bill before the Federal regulators that might even KILL the CVTV's PEG access..

If you think FVTV or CVTV might be in existence in the future, please tell those guys they might actually get their wish and not HAVE ANY reporting of this..

The Comcast deal with the City of Vancouver and Clark County is up this year for negotiation. So if these bunglers want it, they can keep spouting off.

Chief
02-18-2008, 08:30 AM
Understand that one NA up in Cascade Park is the source of all the hate and dismontent.

I can't wait to see CAVE take on a couple of the NA Presidents Downtown...they do things much differently, and are not putting this on as a way to harrangue anyone in sight.

Waterbuffalo
02-18-2008, 10:18 PM
:-) We'll have to await the official report eh?

tefen
02-19-2008, 08:29 AM
I think you're going to find the neighborhood leaders from downtown are anti-rail as well. At least anti-Main Street alignment. If teaming up with the anti-rail folks is the only way to keep it of Main Street, that's what they'll do.

Chief
02-19-2008, 12:28 PM
Is anyone planning on attending to see if any fur flies??

Waterbuffalo
02-19-2008, 01:10 PM
Still not sure. Depends on my schedule.

Are you going Chief?

Chief
02-20-2008, 06:16 AM
Sorry, but the Missus and I are on vacation for a day or two, and I will be otherwise engaged...

:laugh:

Waterbuffalo
02-20-2008, 02:43 PM
your only engaged in a couple of spots.. This ONE must be centrally important.

Hope you have fun during the vacation and catch you while you get back.

Chief
02-20-2008, 03:57 PM
Here's the take on tonight from Patella...

http://www.westerndredging.org/cgi-bin/mail.cgi/archive/Local/20080220142954/

February 20th, 2008


Attached are the details of tonights Light Rail Forum that Hiz Honor and his gang of 4 don't want you to see. Strange that the Light rail proponents don't want any discussion on this 10 Billion dollar boondoggle made available to the public.

Larry Patella
CDR USN (ret)



This is why I will have absolutely nothing to do with this affair tonight, even if I was in town. There is a small group of people here in town, led by the likes of Larry Patella, who are out to make public spectacles of themselves over the Columbia Crossing project, and I simply refuse to have anything to do with this bunch and their plans.

Few, if any, of them have ever actually been to an even sponsored by the Columbia Crossing Project, and I fear they look at this event tonight as a way to lecture the Project Engineers about their CAVE financial principals.

Someone bet me that Sharon Nasset is somewhere in that room tonight...

Not with a ten foot pole...

:p

Waterbuffalo
02-21-2008, 10:29 AM
Well if you GET ecstatic about it Chief, larry should have a fine and dandy report on it.

No, I didn't attend it.. Too many things going on. Wish you the best on your vacation and see you when you get back.