Economic Redevelopment...

[Waterbuffalo]

Here is a nice map of the Gramor and what could be envisioned for the site..

http://www.cityofvancouver.us/econdev.asp?menuid=10464&submenuID=10525&projectID=18840

[karma]

I'd be interested in what the Core of Engineers and Dept of Ecology has to say on this plan but gain they approved Camp Bonneville and we all know how that is screwed up?? We also know how they approved other wetland issues and all one can say is put it in and we will be seeing just how bad they fail and become redeveloped or sit empty? why is it no one wants to do what is in the best interest of the Public any more it's all about the almighty dollar and the lawyers??

[Chief]

Neither the Corps of Engineers or Ecology has been involved in this to date, at least not to my knowledge and I folow this as closely as anyone I know. I'm not sure theyre has been an adequate study done for the suitability of the whole parcel for the purpose intended.

Keep in mind that that pretty picture is what the City would like that to look like, and in order to make that happen, they would have to participate in the construction in a significant way. So far all we have heard is $2 Million for the Engineering, and until they do that, we won't know what it will really cost to dig those tunnels to well below the flood plain (if not down into the water table...) and protect them from flooding. With a grade that low, a heavy thunderstorm could fill those underpasses without an extensive (and expensive) foolproof emergency pumping system.

The devil is in the details...

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[karma]

They both should be due to the pollution in this area and the dredging to the east. Ya know when one dredges the land has to fill in some where?

[Waterbuffalo]

Isn't pilling of dredge materials is like living next to your methane belching spills Karma?

[Chief]

They both should be due to the pollution in this area and the dredging to the east. Ya know when one dredges the land has to fill in some where?

Exactly right karma. Locally, the Port of Vancouver has been storing dredge spoils from the Columbia River deepening project, and is now relocating some 80,000 cubic yards of that material onto Parcel 3 to bring it up to grade and prepare it for development.

Keep in mind karma that the reason we dredge the rivers is in part to remove the accumulated silt that washes off of the land (it has to come from someplace...). Bringing that material out of the river and putting it to use is a good thing.

[Waterbuffalo]

And the Vancouver Lake Lowlands is a natural place to start that between three west coast rivers of silt from the willamette, snake and Columbia.. Then starting with the Lewis and Cowlitz that are more Coastal rivers, the dirt has to land some where as Chief said..

Vancouver seems to be right at the confluence of such a thing.. Wonder if that is how Vancouver's soils got here from historic times. We're just sitting on river silt in Cascade Park and Downtown Vancouver...

Curious to know..

[karma]

Contaminated soil???

[Waterbuffalo]

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Now what would it look like if they cleaned up that soil and dumped it over on the Gramor site to lift that whole area up?

[Chief]

Contaminated soil???

If the dredge spoils were contaminated, they would have special permitting by the State DOE, and would need special sealed landfills to dispose of them.

Just because you dredge silt out of the river does not mean it is contaminated by default karma. The Army Corps of Engineers was required to work through all of these issues before dredging ever started, and they know where the contamination is in the river, and where it is not. In addition, they have been dredging the navigation channels on the Columbia for decades, and using the spoils all along the river, so this is nothing new.

If you have some definitive evidence that any dredge spoils are contaminated with anything karma, I urge you to contact the State Department of Ecology immediately. Otherwise, your comments are just another unsupported opinion.

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[Waterbuffalo]

And contact the Federal EPA, National Marine Fisheries Service, Coast Guard for their enviromental review, NOAA, etc.

Karma, if there is ANY evidence on this subject please reference link or show us where this information is?

Sorry but Chief and I are calling your bluff on this one..