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Chief
02-01-2008, 06:59 PM
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/eastsidenews/2004155575_panhandle31e.html?syndication=rss

By Sonia Krishnan

Seattle Times Eastside bureau

Dan Swinscoe's patients joke about "going to Skid Row" when they come to see the Issaquah physical therapist.

The reason? They're often harassed by panhandlers who have asked for money and sometimes urinated outside his practice at the Meadows Shopping Center. Swinscoe even found one sleeping in his doorway, he said.

"It's embarrassing," he said. "I'm not paying Skid Row prices to rent here."

Starting Tuesday, a new city law will crack down on aggressive begging. The ordinance makes it a misdemeanor — punishable by a maximum fine of $1,000 or 90 days in jail — to panhandle at highway onramps and offramps and within 300 feet of 13 specific intersections, such as Highway 900 and Northwest Gilman Boulevard.

"That includes cheerleaders with signs saying 'Come to our carwash,' " said Mayor Ava Frisinger.

The ordinance was passed in response to an increasing number of complaints from residents and nearby business owners, Frisinger said.

For instance, walkers using the quarter-mile boardwalk along Highway 900 "often found themselves having to step over human waste," Frisinger said. "The expectation is that this law will address public-safety issues and public-health concerns."

Issaquah is among several cities attempting to deal with panhandling through legislation.

Federal Way is looking at toughening its anti-panhandling law to follow in the path of Tacoma, which passed an ordinance last year restricting hours and locations where people can beg. Panhandling at night, on sidewalks, at bus stops and near automatic-teller machines is illegal now.

Tacoma City Councilman Mike Lonergan, the bill's sponsor, said it has "greatly reduced what was getting out of hand."

"These were places where people were being asked for money and absolutely felt threatened and intimidated," Lonergan said.

First, though, city attorneys researched the legality of what they were trying to do, he said.

"We had to be careful because there is a free-speech issue," Lonergan said.

During the 1990s, Seattle amended its "aggressive-begging" ordinance to define intimidation. The law, later challenged by the American Civil Liberties Union, was upheld.

"People have a right to ask others for money, even if it makes someone else uncomfortable," Doug Honig, ACLU spokesman, said in an e-mail. "Under the Constitution, the right to free speech includes the right to say things that others do not care to hear."

Cities may restrict "aggressive panhandling," he said, if that means it interferes with someone's ability to proceed on a public sidewalk or threatens harm to another person.

Advocates for the homeless say that laws such as Issaquah's do nothing but push the problem elsewhere.

"It's not going to change the situation," said Bill Block, project director for the Committee to End Homelessness in King County. "Cities need to deal with the barriers that cause people to become homeless in the first place."

Panhandlers are not always homeless, and the population is "a very mixed bag," Block said. "If people are desperate, they're desperate. This will really just drive them out into neighboring cities."

Issaquah City Councilman John Rittenhouse — who voted in favor of the law at last week's City Council meeting — says there's a "distinct possibility" that the panhandlers might relocate. But for now, he said, "this is a good first step. It catches the main areas where activity has been most pronounced."

Sonia Krishnan: 206-515-5546 or skrishnan@seattletimes.com



Coming to an on-ramp near you??

there's usually a homeless group that hangs out at Mill Plain and I-205, and they run shifts out there begging. It's not as bad here as in some places, but who knows how long that will last??...

Waterbuffalo
02-01-2008, 08:03 PM
Honestly Chief, They also do it in Bellingham and Mount Vernon. Sit near the freeway entrances and beg for money with signs.

There was a common town joke up in Bellingham that one could get high, a motel room, drunk and drill a prostitute and still have enough money to do it again the next day.

Paying those men and women money to sit on the corner when most of them aren't really begging for money to get themselves out of a jam. Its actually a lucrative side business that I bet none of them are paying any Federal income taxes on? I bet the guys and gals that are hanging off Mill Plain and 205, SR-14, 99th street, 78th Street when I was a kid, and many other spots in Clark County is a very lucrative thing.

I'd rather see the money go to that Rowing Club or many other honest, hard working ventures HERE in Clark County than pay the idiots sitting on the side of the road.

Chief
02-02-2008, 07:38 AM
There a bunches of vagrants around that rotate among different intersections, and you're exactly right, they are living off the system and paying no taxes whatsoever. The so-called "homeless" largely consists of professional grifters who float from town to town and live off of whatever they can as a lifestyle choice.

Another large segment consists of the heavily addicted who are also largely living out a lifestyle.

People who have any sense of responsibility for themselves do not remain homeless for long. Circumstances like a fire can render me temporarily homeless, but since I have insurance and pland reasonably well for emergencies, I am confident that we would not be homeless for long, and it wouldn't take me begging on an offramp for change to take care of it.

By the way, if you served 2 years in the Army, and got a Big Chicken Dinner (acronym for a Bad Conduct Discharge) for being basically worthless, that does not make you a "Veteran" in the classical sense of the word. Ever notice how many "Homeless Vet" signs these derelicts hold up?? I always want to stop and ask them what kind of discahrge they got, how long they served, and what they did while they were in.

Here's a tip: Next time you see a panhandler, check out their shoes. The pros always have new shoes on; they aren't stupid, and wear good shoes so they can stand all day long. Look for an expensive backpack nearby too.

Waterbuffalo
02-02-2008, 05:38 PM
Save yourself all of that and simply just don't feed the trolls.. :)

Better yet, give the Money to "Save the City of Vancouver fund.."